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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:40 pm

Arsenal wrote:I think everyone listens to him because Capetian America has basically made him his lieutenant and I think they know he has a military background.

I understand why he acts the way he does but I can't say I ever saw Cap make him lieutenant and I haven't seen a single character moment where anyone would accept the character as a team mate or even explain why he's part of the team. At least with Daredevil joining there was story devoted to it but I just feel with Red Hulk he was just there. And, sure, he may have the background to act that way but I haven't seen the story of why he gets to act that way with this team. Just seems like a jump to me.

Now, it's probably also my bias showing because I hate all these Hulk characters (apart from the original).
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Batman25JM » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:33 am

New Avengers #25

Meh. It wasn't bad, but it didn't really do much for me. The art was great.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Arsenal » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:36 am

I really liked the issue, and that it was pretty much just about how they had visions of this situation for years in Iron Fist land. I am always a fan of seeing about past Iron FIst(s) I wonder if she passed her trial. Just so much about this issue was good, adds very little to AvX but I still liked it.

The more they build up Hope being the obvious new host the more I think it wont be her
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Bigtymin504 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:21 pm

New Avengers #25

Loved it. I'm a huge fan of K'un-Lun ever since Immortal Iron Fist so it was great to see Marvel finally return to it. Lots of potential for awesome stories with a mystical land of martial arts. Very interested in how this all ties in with Hope.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:49 am

New Avengers #25

I've been waiting for this. 1 or 2 issues ago in the Powers letters page Bendis said he'd been reading up on Iron Fist back issues and stories as research. Well, here's what he's been up to.

I really, really liked this issue. The art was gorgeous in parts and I just loved the idea of where all this is leading.

Here's my thought - I don't think Hope is going to be the Phoenix. I think she's destined to fight the Phoenix somehow using the power of the Iron Fist. I love that this is a bit out of left field. Suddenly I'm no really interested in what's going on rather than previously mildly interested.

Also, I found it amusing for some reason that Yu Ti sleeps with his hood on. Probably a request from his lovers due to his ugliness.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Batman25JM » Wed May 09, 2012 10:59 pm

I liked issue #26 fine. The art was gorgeous. The inclusion of Leonardo da Vinici was... interesting.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Bigtymin504 » Thu May 10, 2012 6:17 pm

Loving this K'un Lun arc. And holy shit it's Leonardo Da Vinci! (where the heck is SHIELD btw??)
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Sun May 13, 2012 6:37 am

Bigtymin504 wrote:Loving this K'un Lun arc. And holy shit it's Leonardo Da Vinci! (where the heck is SHIELD btw??)

Yes, where the bloody hell is SHIELD? It hadn't finished it's last run which I've got to think has something to do with Dustin Weaver as Hickman seems pretty prolific.

#26 was once again very interesting. I imagine Daniel Rand is very shortly going to do something very surprising in the current day and this story arc is probably going to explain his actions.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:24 am

New Avengers #27

I read this issue before Avengers vs X-Men #6 and probably should have read that first but it wasn't clear which to read first.

Anyway, I really liked this issue. It was all very interesting and a surprise to see Spidey as Hope's new mentor. Despite putting himself down I actually think Spidey is such an honest and moral guy that he'd be a great mentor (Yu Ti's crack at Spidey about self-loathing was a good one).
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Bigtymin504 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:42 pm

Aussiemandias wrote:New Avengers #27

I read this issue before Avengers vs X-Men #6 and probably should have read that first but it wasn't clear which to read first.

Anyway, I really liked this issue. It was all very interesting and a surprise to see Spidey as Hope's new mentor. Despite putting himself down I actually think Spidey is such an honest and moral guy that he'd be a great mentor (Yu Ti's crack at Spidey about self-loathing was a good one).


Yup Spidey always cracks me up in New Avengers. This is clearly the superior Avengers book, and I think Deodato is a big reason for that. He and Bendis seem to work well together. I'd love it if the rumors about them on an X-Men book were true.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Batman25JM » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:46 pm

I really dug issue #27. The stuff with Spidey was the best part. I love his line about having a doctorate in self-loathing. And him telling Hope about Uncle Ben and great power coming with great responsibility was great. I'm really going to miss Bendis writing 616 Spidey when he leaves this book. I really hope that Bendis ends up writing a 616 Spider-Man book sometime soon. And Deodato's art was awesome.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Arsenal » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:49 am

#27 was just an awesome book. I loved Hope's cracks at Spider-Man and then by the end hanging on every word.

I am going to miss this team if the switch up are true but if they get an X-men book I am in.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:43 pm

New Avengers #28

I really liked this issue but then their escape seemed too easy towards the end and then it was all proven to not be real. Hmmmm. :roll:
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Batman25JM » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:23 pm

New Avengers #28

This was really a waste. The escape was cool, but since it turned out none of it was real I feel like I wasted my time and money on this issue.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:44 am

New Avengers #29

Although not a lot happened here it actually felt like an important meeting of these characters that had to happen. I liked it - I though it was done well.

Dr Strange really seems to be a bit player these days. I feel like he's underwritten by most people including Bendis.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Batman25JM » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:27 pm

New Avengers #29

I liked this issue quite a bit.

The art was gorgeous.

I feel like this story should have been in the main Avengers book since the only New Avenger that appeared in the issue was Doctor Strange.

I don't know if I've said this before, but I really like Doctor Strange's new costume.

Historically I've never been that into Doctor Strange, but I actually really like how Bendis writes him.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Dr. Wade McNasty » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:22 pm

Aussiemandias wrote:Dr Strange really seems to be a bit player these days. I feel like he's underwritten by most people including Bendis.



Nobody seems to know how to write high powered individuals anymore. I'm sure I'll cringe at how badly they'll fuck up the cosmic scene.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Bigtymin504 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:39 pm

Dr. Wade McNasty wrote:
Aussiemandias wrote:Dr Strange really seems to be a bit player these days. I feel like he's underwritten by most people including Bendis.



Nobody seems to know how to write high powered individuals anymore. I'm sure I'll cringe at how badly they'll fuck up the cosmic scene.


Definitely agree about Strange being consistantly underwritten. Fraction in Defenders has kind of reverted him back to his slightly arrogant days, with mixed results at best. Is there no one at Marvel with a killer Doctor Strange pitch? If I were Axel I'd be tempted to just give Hickman the keys and let him run wild. ;)

I liked #29 too. Tony had me cracking up throughout. Although Xavier came off a little too petty IMO. He's another great character that Marvel doesn't seem to know what to do with anymore.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:48 am

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Dr. Wade McNasty wrote:
Aussiemandias wrote:Dr Strange really seems to be a bit player these days. I feel like he's underwritten by most people including Bendis.



Nobody seems to know how to write high powered individuals anymore. I'm sure I'll cringe at how badly they'll fuck up the cosmic scene.


Definitely agree about Strange being consistantly underwritten. Fraction in Defenders has kind of reverted him back to his slightly arrogant days, with mixed results at best. Is there no one at Marvel with a killer Doctor Strange pitch? If I were Axel I'd be tempted to just give Hickman the keys and let him run wild. ;)

I liked #29 too. Tony had me cracking up throughout. Although Xavier came off a little too petty IMO. He's another great character that Marvel doesn't seem to know what to do with anymore.

The problem with Bendis's Dr Strange is that he's just being used as a device not a character. He had a brief little run a couple of years back but aside from that Bendis uses the Strange character as a tool to deal with certain situations. Supposedly characterisation is one of Bendis's strengths but he's not used it in this case (I debate that he's used it much at all over the last few years - snappy dialogue has been his strength and that's been about it on the mainstream books). I'm not a Fraction fan (people would be surprised to hear that) but at least it sounds like he's attempted to give him some character.

I kind of don't get it because in my mind I could think of some great scenarios for Dr Strange that would give him a comic that's different from the rest and at the same time entertaining - and I'm sure a lot of the top talent could do this. He's not your usual superhero - maybe that's what scares them off - too much hard work and imagination required.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Dr. Wade McNasty » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:29 am

This pretty much. Then again, I think they should create a story, each with it's own ground rules that determines what Strange can and can't do from the get go, as opposed to nerfing him or creating one scenario for all stories. This is something I've seen done with him each time and it never works. Back in the day, however, they really cut loose and had some fun with him. Maybe the problem is that the writers today want to tell a street level story but instead of creating a premise that would force Strange to operate at that level, they basically ignore it and keep going.

Maybe it's their insistence on having him interact so closely in the affairs of other characters, except even then, he's not used as much and would be better off giving that spot to a less powerful character that is of the same vein (Jericho Drumm, the new Shaman from Alpha Flight, Wiccan, or a new character created by that writer so they can truly have control over what the character can and can't do without the hassle of continuity - in these cases, Strange can be used for consultation, with each time they see him, he is busy "saving the universe" so all he can do is give suggestions as opposed to fixing everything with a wave of his hand). It's one reason why I always wished they would do something that sets some ground rules if they are going to do this or ideally, have the rules change from one story to the next due to factors in that story arc.

For example, in one story, some big time baddie attacks but the Vishanti will be mad at him due to some action Strange takes to stop him, limiting what he can do in the next story, where he will get the full measure of his powers back because the previous baddie had weakened the Vishanti with his antics (somehow) so now Strange can cut loose, in another story, a physical illness caused by some other-dimensional being that devours realities makes him sick so it can attack this realm, in another, he limits himself because reality is fragile because the other-dimensional being from the last story who tried to eat this reality in the last story had caused some damage to reality. Damage to reality can give way to all kinds of things from resurrections to some other high-powered magician trying to re-write the rules of magic to benefit him. Have him succeed, allowing Strange to be limited for the next story arc and thus he has to find a way to fix things and set things back to normal again. Conditions are put down at the start and are applied to that story arc, something that would allow them to actually write a good story with him. That or be more creative in the things he has to deal with (a foe that is really a sentient concept that possesses anyone that understands it, if Strange tries to use a banishment spell or some sort of exorcism, the person's soul will leave the body along with the bad guy so he has to use more creative means to stop him). The stories write themselves with Strange and I feel that the writers aren't trying hard enough.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:57 pm

New Avengers #31

I think I'm probably more interested in the final storyline going on over in the Avengers book which is a turnaround because it's usually been this book I found more interesting. I wonder what's happened to Hellstorm and Jennifer Kale.

Anyway, bring on Hickman I say!
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Arsenal » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:22 am

My problem with this arc is the last arc on Venom had Hellstorm being evil. So what happened between then and now other then Bendis ignoring that.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:08 am

Arsenal wrote:My problem with this arc is the last arc on Venom had Hellstorm being evil. So what happened between then and now other then Bendis ignoring that.

Or maybe whoever wrote Venom (is it still Remender?) is the one who got that wrong.

New Avengers #32

This was okay. There's a lot going on and not sure where it's all headed. Has Bendis killed off Hellstorm and Jennifer Kale? Not sure. But I think he's definitely killed off Victoria Hand who I kind of liked.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Aussiemandias » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:11 am

New Avengers #33

I really enjoyed Mike Oeming's art this issue. It was a lot of fun seeing him do mainstream superheroes.

I don't know what that cover was all about. I'm sure hoping Dr Strange doesn't get killed and I wonder if the cover this issue is a bit of a giveaway to something bad happening in the last issue.
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Re: New Avengers

Postby Batman25JM » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:24 am

New Avengers #30

I liked this. It wasn't anything special, but the art was good and Daredevil was fairly heavily featured and that's a big plus.


New Avengers #31-33

Meh. I'm not really interested in this story. It's rather average. Also, the changing artists doesn't thrill me. I think killing off Victoria Hand was a huge waste. She was an interesting character that we never got to see really develop.
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