Avengers vs X-Men

[Aussiemandias]

Avengers vs X-Men #4

This was probably the best issue so far for me, no surprise considering Hickman wrote it. Great stuff with Logan and Hope. Cool to see them end up on the Moon, shades of Phoenix stories in the past. But so far this event hasn't delivered in the shocking/game-changing moments it promised. We've seen everyone chasing Hope before in Messiah Complex. The good thing is, the Phoenix has arrived and issue 5 is the end of "Act 1" so it's set up to deliver some big moments. Bring on Oliver Coipel for Act 2!

I thought this was JRJR's best issue of the lot (the first couple of pages were really good) - I think Scott Hanna appears to work well with him - however I'm really looking forward to Olivier Coipel's work.

I enjoyed this issue also. Thor's entrance was cool and I liked Wolverine's dealing with Hope - I like that he didn't take what Cap did personally which I didn't think he would.

Anyway, bring on the Phoenix next issue!

[Arsenal]

I am wondering this where is Cable in all of this?

He came back in the prelude book, was cured of the virus, so should be sitting around full powered and badass, so why hasn't he been out there at all in anything? Not helping Hope, not in any book for any reason. Where is he?

My guess he will be the Phoenix now

[Batman25JM]

Yeah... I didn't like issue #5 at all. Some of the dialogue was stupid as hell. My interest in this book is dead. I'm debating whether or not I should even finish reading it.

[Arsenal]

Yeah... I didn't like issue #5 at all. Some of the dialogue was stupid as hell. My interest in this book is dead. I'm debating whether or not I should even finish reading it.

Well #5 was the issue that Fraction wrote. So that might explain it.


It was a weak issue, and the dialogue was pretty bad. I do think the little twist was cool, but makes me think even more that Hope is not supposed to be the Avatar.

Also I actually hope that after this Scott and Logan have a real fight where one of them ends up out of the game for a while. I know on a sales point Scott would lose, but I kind of hope it would be Logan.

[Bigtymin504]

Well I liked #5 quite a bit. Definitely didn't expect the twist...not as Earth shattering as I'd hoped but still pretty cool. Kind of loved those character designs. Coipel will draw the shit out of those. Looking forward to seeing where Act 2 goes now that the whole chasing Hope deal is over. And I honestly think the artist change to Coipel will dramatically change the feel of this book, for the better.

Oh and Uncanny X-Men #13 goes a long way towards giving some context about what happened with Phoenix and why it chose 5 people. The main AvX series should have some of this nice depth from the tie ins!

[Arsenal]

Oh and Uncanny X-Men #13 goes a long way towards giving some context about what happened with Phoenix and why it chose 5 people. The main AvX series should have some of this nice depth from the tie ins!

I really don't like having to buy books I normally do not get to understand a event.

But if it does explain it, I shall read it

[Aussiemandias]

Yeah... I didn't like issue #5 at all. Some of the dialogue was stupid as hell. My interest in this book is dead. I'm debating whether or not I should even finish reading it.

Well #5 was the issue that Fraction wrote. So that might explain it.

Bingo!!! Matt Fraction is such a full-of-shit-pseudo-intellectual (I'm copyrighting that term!). I'm sorry but I absolutely do NOT buy Hope having an internal monologue about the guy who dropped the first atomic bomb. Give me a break!!!

While I didn't totally dislike issue #5, I'm with Bats in that I'm just completely losing interest. It's 5 issues in and this book absolutely already feels padded out. If we get to the end of this series and it's a disappointment I'm going to go completely Scarlet Witch on Marvel and declare....

NO MORE EVENTS.

[D-Rock]

If we get to the end of this series and it's a disappointment I'm going to go completely Scarlet Witch on Marvel and declare....

NO MORE EVENTS.

I took this stance after Civil War. It feels good.

[Arsenal]

If we get to the end of this series and it's a disappointment I'm going to go completely Scarlet Witch on Marvel and declare....

NO MORE EVENTS.

I took this stance after Civil War. It feels good.

I can't do it, I'm an addict, I need methadone for events, at least I am not buying every book with AvX on it. I did that up until Flashpoint.

[D-Rock]

I can't do it, I'm an addict, I need methadone for events, at least I am not buying every book with AvX on it. I did that up until Flashpoint.

I hear that. I used to go tie-in crazy, but after the last few years of events when they stopped having much relevance to the story, I've gotten much stricter on which ones I'll actually buy.

[Bigtymin504]

Oh and Uncanny X-Men #13 goes a long way towards giving some context about what happened with Phoenix and why it chose 5 people. The main AvX series should have some of this nice depth from the tie ins!

I really don't like having to buy books I normally do not get to understand a event.

But if it does explain it, I shall read it

Yeah me too. It's basically just some context behind why we have a Phoenix Fab Five. Wouldn't say it's necessary but definitely welcomed.

I can't do it, I'm an addict, I need methadone for events, at least I am not buying every book with AvX on it. I did that up until Flashpoint.

I hear that. I used to go tie-in crazy, but after the last few years of events when they stopped having much relevance to the story, I've gotten much stricter on which ones I'll actually buy.

Yeah I did the same thing after Secret Invasion and confirmed it with Blackest Night. In those two events' cases I feel like the Avengers and GL tie-in books were actually essential, which I was already buying anyway. All the other stuff was ultimately unnecessary. To AvX's credit, the tie ins are comparatively low compared to previous events. No stupid minis.

Overall I enjoy the events. They can be hit or miss but they are pretty damn fun.

[D-Rock]

Overall I enjoy the events. They can be hit or miss but they are pretty damn fun.

I'd agree. It was when they were dominating regular storytelling and ending flat that it started to get annoying, but when done right they're good for getting the adrenaline going.

[Bigtymin504]

Overall I enjoy the events. They can be hit or miss but they are pretty damn fun.

I'd agree. It was when they were dominating regular storytelling and ending flat that it started to get annoying, but when done right they're good for getting the adrenaline going.

Yeah not every book needs to be involved. Marvel seems to have finally figured that out, leaving great books like Daredevil, Winter Soldier, Amazing Spidey, etc. alone. The short sales bumps on them aren't worth derailing creative story lines in the long run.

[Arsenal]

AvX Versus #3

Lets keep this side book going. I continue to like this book, even if it has issues.


Colossus vs The Thing

First off, it should have been Colossus vs Red Hulk, because Red hulk needs to get his ass kicked and shut up, getting tired of him, also honestly this side was one sided before the Juggernaut got put in the mix. But it was a good fight, I liked Ben tossing the rocks. Getting tired of Piotr complaining all the time, but then again I can understand why.

Magik vs Black Widow.

I liked that they had the siblings in the same vs book. I also like that they didn't give Black Widow the win because of the movie (see my rant about Iron Man vs Magneto). But honestly there is no reason that Black Widow could have won, even the part with her in limbo talking to demons . Maybe I didn't know about that part of her, but if Magik can take down Dr. Strange in Limbo, Black Widow should have been done in a moment.


Overall good issue, the people that logically should have won, won.

[Bigtymin504]

AvX Versus #3

Lets keep this side book going. I continue to like this book, even if it has issues.


Colossus vs The Thing

First off, it should have been Colossus vs Red Hulk, because Red hulk needs to get his ass kicked and shut up, getting tired of him, also honestly this side was one sided before the Juggernaut got put in the mix. But it was a good fight, I liked Ben tossing the rocks. Getting tired of Piotr complaining all the time, but then again I can understand why.

Magik vs Black Widow.

I liked that they had the siblings in the same vs book. I also like that they didn't give Black Widow the win because of the movie (see my rant about Iron Man vs Magneto). But honestly there is no reason that Black Widow could have won, even the part with her in limbo talking to demons . Maybe I didn't know about that part of her, but if Magik can take down Dr. Strange in Limbo, Black Widow should have been done in a moment.


Overall good issue, the people that logically should have won, won.

Yup these issues are fun, especially when they get the fights right. Nice Russian chick brawl between Natasha and Illyana.

[jaydee74]

Things got pretty interesting with the newest issue. Not too shabby.

[Denim]

Issue 6 was a great way to start off the second act. I still have a feeling that Iron Fist is either going to come out of this dead or drastically changed. Scarlet Witch can hurt the Phoenix Five it seems, that is very interesting.

I am still enjoying this event and everyone needs to read the infinite comic that came with this issue. It is amazing and the technology of the infinite comics continues to impress the heck out of me. This is one gimmick that is working for me and I would love to see more of it.

[Bigtymin504]

Avengers vs X-Men #6

Best issue yet. No surprise for me that Hickman's issues have been the best. And Coipel just took this thing to another level! Gorgeous gorgeous art. No disrespect to JRJR because he did a very solid job, but I'm pretty sure Act 1 would have been way better if Coipel drew it.

I loved the dialogue between Scott and Xavier. It's very interesting to see how their relationship has evolved over the years, and I feel like Hickman conveyed that pretty well. This Phoenix Five mission seems good but I can definitely see them getting corrupted, especially Cyclops. Also interesting to see Hope sort of "change sides" and buddy up with none other than Scarlet Witch. Those two together is bad news.

The Infinite comic was cool and innovative yet again. I'm a Scott-Jean fanboy so this was right up my alley! I gotta say, I love Cyclops' Phoenix design, besides that pseudo-speedo thing they've got going on...why??

[Aussiemandias]

Avengers vs X-Men #6

Best issue yet. No surprise for me that Hickman's issues have been the best. And Coipel just took this thing to another level! Gorgeous gorgeous art. No disrespect to JRJR because he did a very solid job, but I'm pretty sure Act 1 would have been way better if Coipel drew it.

I loved the dialogue between Scott and Xavier. It's very interesting to see how their relationship has evolved over the years, and I feel like Hickman conveyed that pretty well. This Phoenix Five mission seems good but I can definitely see them getting corrupted, especially Cyclops. Also interesting to see Hope sort of "change sides" and buddy up with none other than Scarlet Witch. Those two together is bad news.

Agree with your comments here. I love Coipel's art - this was gorgeous.

This was probably my favourite issue so far - most likely due to the combination of Hickman and Coipel. Also things have taken a drastic turn whereas I thought there were a few wasted issue up until now. Super powered being creating a utopia on Earth at the expense of free will has been done before in comics so it's not all that original but the fact that it's the Phoenix doing it seems to add something to it. One thing that I'm sure will bug me will be after this is over I'm sure all the things the Phoenix Five have changed will just suddenly be fixed and back to normal - that sort of thing annoys the hell out of me but I'm better off trying to ignore it.

The Avengers actually need Scarlet Witch to be involved because otherwise they haven't got a whole lot that can stand up to the Phoenix Five.

[Batman25JM]

Avengers vs X-Men #6

This was my favorite issue since issue #1. I think Coipel is the reason for that. I didn't know how much more of JRJR's art I could take.

This story has a "been there, done that" feeling to it. It's not breaking new ground at all. I'm going to stick with it since it's half over, but overall I'm not impressed.

It really bugs me that Cyclops's Phoenix costume is a rip off of Nightwing's costume.

[jaydee74]

Avengers vs X-Men #6It really bugs me that Cyclops's Phoenix costume is a rip off of Nightwing's costume.

I noticed that too.

[Bigtymin504]

I wonder where "No More Avengers" will lead. My far out theory: Cyclops and the Phoenix Five send them to an alternate reality...Age of Ultron. And we finally get that Bendis/Hitch story, which seems like Marvel is starting to tease.

[jaydee74]

I wonder where "No More Avengers" will lead. My far out theory: Cyclops and the Phoenix Five send them to an alternate reality...Age of Ultron. And we finally get that Bendis/Hitch story, which seems like Marvel is starting to tease.

That could make sense. Or the Avengers sequel will star X-Men members.

[Aussiemandias]

Avengers vs X-Men #7

First of all, Fraction was writing this issue so I expected that the dialogue would be bad in parts and let's just say that if there is one thing about Fraction that I have to respect it's his consistency and he didn't let me down. There was bad dialogue (I am convinced Fraction writes the worst Captain America around).

Amateurish dialogue aside, there were a couple of things in this issue that bugged me. Black Panther's slap of Tony Stark - seriously that was a bloody awful moment. And the one that really got me was Cap addressing the group with Hope by his side and saying that she's as much an expert on the Phoenix force and the X-Men as they're going to get - Wolverine and Beast (didn't he leave???) are standing there in the group!!!??? What the??? Geez if I was them I would have walked out the door with a giant "fuck you!" at that moment!

Apart from that, stuff happened. None of it particularly engaging.

[Arsenal]

Yup this was a fraction issue.

Aussie covered most of the points that bugged me. Maybe Hope knows more about the Pheonix but about the X-men? That's just bad writing. I'm Glad namor is stepping up next issue but the Emma and him thing bugged me, has this been going on in Uncanny? I know it was hinted at a long time ago but I didn't think anything came from it.


The Fraction issues are weak but at least overall AvX is fantastic.