Earth-2

[jaydee74]

I'm getting the sense that Jay is the current Flash like Barry is in this world we are currently reading. My feeling is that Earth-2 is going to be a lot like the Earth we are reading with a few tweaks and modifications like having Jay Garrick as Flash and Alan Scott as Green Lantern (I wonder what his costume will look like. If they get rid of the cape, they can go fuck themselves and I'm not even joking). I knew that the Earth-2 wouldn't be the old continuity simply because we know that continuity has been changed by Pandora. It's no longer in existence (for the time being). I was hoping for an altered golden age take of the heroes to be honest but I don't think that will be happening either. I don't know what to think now. I'm conflicted. I guess I'll have to wait until the first issue comes out.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

I honestly would have preferred that to be Wally West, with many of the older heroes of the golden age being older but not that much older, playing mentor to a new generation of heroes with the interesting twist of having Batman and Superman also be golden age heroes. It would be interesting since it would allow for a comparison between the two worlds.

I guess we'll see what happens but I am not liking what I am seeing thus far.

[jaydee74]

I never for a second considered it would be Wally West. I have heard too many panels from San Diego that Wally West wouldn't be used for the time being.

[Aussiemandias]

Not sure. I always love to see alternate takes on characters but as the whole of DC has become an alternate universe I don't really see the point of this. Now if they had an Earth 2 which was the Silver Age DC characters but older, just like the original Earth 2 was the Golden Agers that would be cool.

Agreed one million percent. With everything else being so different, couldn't this one thing be sort of the same?

Agree two million percent!!!!

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

I never for a second considered it would be Wally West. I have heard too many panels from San Diego that Wally West wouldn't be used for the time being.

Yeah, but it would have been a perfect way to utilize him. This seems like a wasted opportunity here.

[jaydee74]

I never for a second considered it would be Wally West. I have heard too many panels from San Diego that Wally West wouldn't be used for the time being.

Yeah, but it would have been a perfect way to utilize him. This seems like a wasted opportunity here.

I can see that but considering we're talking about the JSA, I didn't see them having Wally instead of Jay on the team. I think people would have complained if Jay Garrick who is one of the founders of the JSA wasn't on the team. Not that people wouldn't have been happy to have Wally in some way. I know I miss Wally at the moment.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

Oh I agree. I think DC could have had their cake and eat it too by having Jay as the old Flash passing on the mantle to a new Wally West, since they seem to be doing that with Huntress and Power Girl in this series. The thing with Wally is how different personality wise he is from Jay, thus it would have made for an interesting dynamic. Ultimate Spider-man meets Flash but with more grown-up superheroes.

They could have done the same thing with Green Lantern Alan Scott, with Jade taking over the mantle. The time Alan spends trying to help Jade master her powers combined with Obsidian wondering if his father is avoiding him due to his sexual preference (he won't be but I'm sure Obsidian wonders this at first) combined with the unusual nature of his powers which are strikingly similar to an old foe of Alan's (Shade), combined with his natural rebelliousness shown all throughout life and especially in his heroics (shadow powers always equals creepy stuff anyways) makes for a perfect dynamic and practically writes itself. Add that Jay and Alan are friends and run the JSA and so forth, there is so much there. I don't know what they deal is with Alan here but if they make some weird change like with Jay, it will feel pretty wasted to me.

[jaydee74]

Yeah. Agree with all of that. I kind of wish we were getting more of what we remember from Earth 2 as opposed to something else. I think under those circumstances and with Robinson as the writer, we could have gotten something awesome considering how amazing the story "Golden Age" was. I'm still curious as to what this will be all about but my excitement has deflated just a bit.

[Bigtymin504]

Bryan Hitch's Ultimate DC!

[Batman25JM]

That's the best I've seen Hitch's art look in quite some time.

I really hate the design of Earth 2 Batman's suit.

[jaydee74]

Earth-2 #1
So I read it at my LCS. The $3.99 kind of got me to not pick it up but I did find this intriguing. Seeing Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman in the beginning was cool. This is kind of a rebirth of sorts to this world and I liked it. Seeing the introduction to Alan Scott and Jay Garrick was also kind of neat. I won't be getting this in issues but it's something that I could see reading in trade.

[Batman25JM]

Earth 2 #1


I was a little nervous about getting this since I've disliked pretty much all of the stuff I've read from Robinson, but I got it anyway. I actually quite liked it.

This was the most I've ever liked Nicola Scott's artwork. Also, I liked Batman's costume in the actual book. I didn't like it before reading the issue.

I do wish that Robin and Supergirl were still on Earth 2.











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I was actually quite surprised that they killed off the Big 3. It's definitely going to make this world different. Do we know if they'll be a new Batman (Dick)? I hope so.

[jaydee74]

I'm uncertain. I kind of like seeing the birth of the Justice Society is going to be explored in this book and the ending of #1 was really quite awesome.

[Arsenal]

I thought it was a pretty good read, and that whole first fight was great. I am very interested to see how it goes from here. I am not sure how I feel about how the powers are going to be gained. But it should be a fun read.

I hope.

[jaydee74]

I think we're going to get a contemporary look at the birth of the JSA. I know that's not what some people are interested in. They want to see the JSA they all remember and love but I'm willing to see what James Robinson will do with this as I liked this a lot and haven't really enjoyed much from Robinson in some time so I'm curious.

[Aussiemandias]

Earth 2

I still don't understand why they couldn't have kept this book more traditional as a sort of counterpoint to the refresh going on in the main DCU. I kind of always liked the links to WWII and the old timers on the JSA.

That being said, I actually didn't mind this first issue and it was definitely some of Nicola Scott's best work (although her work on Secret Six will always be my favourite). There was some interesting stuff in this issue (for example, Diana's gods were the Roman pantheon and not the Greek) but I think the real first issue starts with #2 now that this opening story is out of the way.

I saw some small signs of Robinson's writing style from Justice League that drove me away from that book but hopefully that's not an ongoing thing. Overall I'm interested but, and I can't put my finger on it, I don't have total confidence in the premise of this book. At least in the main DCU the characters that have been rebooted have still had their basic story and history still at their core. I think the characers here are going to resemble the traditional characters in name only - it seems none of their history is to be recognised - in other words the Jay Garrick of Earth 2 is in no way anything to do with the old Jay Garrick - he's just got his name.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

Earth 2

I really liked this issue. It was pretty good and set-up things nicely.

[jaydee74]

Earth 2

I really liked this issue. It was pretty good and set-up things nicely.

I thought so. As for people who wanted the traditional JSA, I see this being the set-up for the modern JSA with new costumes and slightly new backgrounds.

[Jherek Carnelian]

I liked it well enough. Kinda scary seeing the Big Three die. So the JSA are gonna be the replacements for Earth 2's JLA? That's fresh. I loved Hermes turning up and the whole link to the Roman pantheon was cool, reminded me of Kingdom Come, I wish somehow Earth 2's Jay Garrick looked more like Hermes. Also liked the new Earth 2 Worlds Finest book.

[D-Rock]

Earth 2

I still don't understand why they couldn't have kept this book more traditional as a sort of counterpoint to the refresh going on in the main DCU. I kind of always liked the links to WWII and the old timers on the JSA.

Going with the theory of trying to appeal to a new audience, (USA) kids/teens today have no connection to WW2 anymore. For most of us, it was something our parents remembered and maybe even had some family who fought in the war. Nowadays, it's just something in history books. The most recent war the new generation may connect with is the Gulf War. So I can understand DC trying to do something different with the JSA's origins.

[D-Rock]

I liked it well enough. Kinda scary seeing the Big Three die. So the JSA are gonna be the replacements for Earth 2's JLA? That's fresh. I loved Hermes turning up and the whole link to the Roman pantheon was cool, reminded me of Kingdom Come, I wish somehow Earth 2's Jay Garrick looked more like Hermes.

Agreed with all of this.

[Aussiemandias]

Earth 2

I still don't understand why they couldn't have kept this book more traditional as a sort of counterpoint to the refresh going on in the main DCU. I kind of always liked the links to WWII and the old timers on the JSA.

Going with the theory of trying to appeal to a new audience, (USA) kids/teens today have no connection to WW2 anymore. For most of us, it was something our parents remembered and maybe even had some family who fought in the war. Nowadays, it's just something in history books. The most recent war the new generation may connect with is the Gulf War. So I can understand DC trying to do something different with the JSA's origins.

Yeah that's a fair point. Also if you were going to link them to WWII you'd either have to come up with a way that they haven't aged too much or they'd all be mid 80s and older which would be kind of silly. I don't necessarily agree that they have to have been involved in the most recent war but WWII is too far away now.

That being said, I still think combining an older and younger generation of heroes is a nifty idea and can't see a reason why that still couldn't have been done without the connection to WWII. I actually still would have preferred that approach to the JSA. It would make the book special but, then, who needs that when you can create a bunch of cookie cutter standard fare super-heroes on an alternate earth.

[Arsenal]

EARTH 2 #2

I am getting into this book, it has a better flow the JLA did/does. Maybe because we are meeting these characters for the first time or because the plot is a little lighter I don't know but I really am digging in.

The whole Alan Scott being gay issue, is a non issue. It was written well (not as well as Northstar/Kyle) but still it was done well. I am interested to see how Alan gets his ring, but Jay getting his speed was cool, and Hawk Girl showing up? Awesome. I'm not that knowledgeable about Mr. Terrific but neat to see him showing up from the "normal" universe.

I am going to stick with the book for a while. I'm having fun with it

[Strider]

Earth 2 #2

The book is really well done, from action to characterization. I'm so glad to see James Robinson having his groove back.

[Batman25JM]

I enjoyed issue #2 quite a bit. I'm really starting to like this version of Jay Garrick. Jay is one of my favorite DC characters and I was worried that I wouldn't like him in this book. I still don't like his costume though.

I still wish the JSA was in the main universe. When I'm reading the main universe books I miss them, but when I'm reading this book I don't miss the other JLA characters because I take this book as an Elseworlds kind of book, so the differences don't really bug me. The same thing goes for the changes to the JSA members.