New Avengers

[Bigtymin504]

Was that Goliath I saw in a picture? Wasn't he the "big death" in Civil War?

It's Bill Foster's son Tom. He's pissed at the Avengers for killing his dad, understandably.

[D-Rock]

It's Bill Foster's son Tom. He's pissed at the Avengers for killing his dad, understandably.

Ahhhh, I gotcha. Is the growing a genetic trait they share or something costume related like The Atom?

[Bigtymin504]

It's Bill Foster's son Tom. He's pissed at the Avengers for killing his dad, understandably.

Ahhhh, I gotcha. Is the growing a genetic trait they share or something costume related like The Atom?

Whoops sorry he's actually Goliath's nephew. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about his origin and powers:

Tom Foster was introduced in Black Panther #23, when he and his family were visited by King T'Challa and Queen Ororo of Wakanda, following the murder of his uncle Bill Foster during the superhero civil war. Angry at the pro-registration forces for his uncle's death, Tom swore to continue his legacy by replicating the Pym Particles which give Bill his powers. To this end, T'Challa swore to assist him in any way he could, once Tom finished his studies at M.I.T.

[D-Rock]

Werd, thanks buddy

[Batman25JM]

I forgot to mention it, but I don't think it was great that they had the image of Avengers Tower falling in the issue with it being the week of September 11th.

[Bigtymin504]

I forgot to mention it, but I don't think it was great that they had the image of Avengers Tower falling in the issue with it being the week of September 11th.

I thought you did mention it on the last page? Are you talking about the last page image with the Revengers looking at Avegners Tower as their next target? It's not falling in that, it's intact.

[Batman25JM]

I forgot to mention it, but I don't think it was great that they had the image of Avengers Tower falling in the issue with it being the week of September 11th.

I thought you did mention it on the last page? Are you talking about the last page image with the Revengers looking at Avegners Tower as their next target? It's not falling in that, it's intact.

No, I'm talking about in issue #16 when the tower actually fell.

[Bigtymin504]

I forgot to mention it, but I don't think it was great that they had the image of Avengers Tower falling in the issue with it being the week of September 11th.

I thought you did mention it on the last page? Are you talking about the last page image with the Revengers looking at Avegners Tower as their next target? It's not falling in that, it's intact.

No, I'm talking about in issue #16 when the tower actually fell.

Ohh okay I haven't read the new issue yet. But in general terms, I don't see this as being a problem or distasteful. The story is totally unrelated to 9/11 as the writer and artist had no idea it would come out on the same week as 9/11 when creating it. So should they have to go back and make a major change to the story because of the week it happens to come out on? I think that's being overly sensitive and going way too far. I respect your opinion on this but short of changing the story to take that out, I don't see what could have been done about it.

[Batman25JM]

No, I'm talking about in issue #16 when the tower actually fell.

Ohh okay I haven't read the new issue yet. But in general terms, I don't see this as being a problem or distasteful. The story is totally unrelated to 9/11 as the writer and artist had no idea it would come out on the same week as 9/11 when creating it. So should they have to go back and make a major change to the story because of the week it happens to come out on? I think that's being overly sensitive and going way too far. I respect your opinion on this but short of changing the story to take that out, I don't see what could have been done about it.

I'm not overly offended or anything, but I just think it would have been best not to have it come out on the week leading up to, or after September 11th. I don't really think they should have changed the story because of it, but they had to have some idea that it would come out around September 11th (or at least in September). Though, with Marvel's kind of screwy publishing schedule maybe not. However, I do think they could have pushed this back a week. Like I said, Marvel's publishing schedule is kind of screwy, so I don't think it would have been a problem.

While I'm not overly offended, I think the imagery is very similar to 9/11 and then you have fact that there is 9/11 memorial stuff in the back of the book. I don't think they had to make a major change to the story. I just think that they should have pushed it back a week and maybe not had the 9/11 stuff in the back.

[Bigtymin504]

No, I'm talking about in issue #16 when the tower actually fell.

Ohh okay I haven't read the new issue yet. But in general terms, I don't see this as being a problem or distasteful. The story is totally unrelated to 9/11 as the writer and artist had no idea it would come out on the same week as 9/11 when creating it. So should they have to go back and make a major change to the story because of the week it happens to come out on? I think that's being overly sensitive and going way too far. I respect your opinion on this but short of changing the story to take that out, I don't see what could have been done about it.

I'm not overly offended or anything, but I just think it would have been best not to have it come out on the week leading up to, or after September 11th. I don't really think they should have changed the story because of it, but they had to have some idea that it would come out around September 11th (or at least in September). Though, with Marvel's kind of screwy publishing schedule maybe not. However, I do think they could have pushed this back a week. Like I said, Marvel's publishing schedule is kind of screwy, so I don't think it would have been a problem.

While I'm not overly offended, I think the imagery is very similar to 9/11 and then you have fact that there is 9/11 memorial stuff in the back of the book. I don't think they had to make a major change to the story. I just think that they should have pushed it back a week and maybe not had the 9/11 stuff in the back.

Even pushing it back a week I think is unnecessary but we can agree to disagree on that. I wonder if the people deciding when the books ship would even know there was an image of a building being destroyed in the book. Also wonder how many other books had similar images that week, I'm sure there were a few.

[Aussiemandias]

New Avengers #16

Okay, I'm pretty fed up with the talking heads. Let this gimmick go, Bendis!!! Now to be a little hypocritical, I did love Hawkey's voice over assessment of why Daredevil should be an Avenger - that was nicely done. I didn't really go along with the idea at first but the characters in the book pretty much convinced me. He'll be a good addition to the team and obviously the character needs some redemption.

It really seems to me that everyone, including the characters, the writers and Marvel, are sweeping Shadowland under the carpet. Probably not a bad thing in retrospect.

I understand all the thanking Daredevil for saving their baby (although it's not entirely evident that the mansion couldn't have maintained its defences and all he really did was find a secret exit) but did the Cage's seem to not realise how much Squirrel Girl did also? I think she deserved a huge amount of credit.

And just on Daredevil going to the mansion - did that seem like just a monumental leap of logic? So Daredevil suddenly finds New York is under attack, he's defending his own life and the lives of other people, he sees that Avengers Tower has been attacked and the first thing he thinks of is the possibility that the Cage's baby could be in trouble at Avengers Mansion? So he leaves the defence of the general public to go and save their baby, which is the first thing he thought of at that critical time, without also thinking that surely they would have processes in place to protect their child whenever they're out fighting. Now although his fear for the child turned out to be correct it just seemed like a really odd jump in logic for me. I still didn't mind the story but I feel that Bendis couldn't have come up with a better approach to leading DD to the Mansion.

[Bigtymin504]

^Agreed about the interviews getting old, but also agreed that this was probably one of Bendis' better uses of it. I really liked the end with how Matt joined the team and I like how it fits into his new lease on life.

[Bigtymin504]

New Avengers 16.1

Great stuff, no more interviews! Nice prison break for Norman. I liked Doctor Strange's trick, but then Norman had plan B up his sleeve. This new HAMMER looks massive, can't wait to see how the story unfolds and who Norman's new Dark Avengers will be. Normie may be the New Avengers greatest enemy, glad to have him back.

[Batman25JM]

New Avengers 16.1

Meh. This really didn't do anything for me.

[Batman25JM]

New Avengers #17

This was okay. I'm glad that the Fear Itself crap is over, but not a lot happened in the issue. I was kind of bored up until the end.

Spidey did have some good lines, and I'm glad he's still in his FF costume.

The art was awesome.

I'm wondering where Daredevil was. He's on the team (and on the cover). I want my Daredevil!

[prescribeddrone]

#17 was the best NA book in over half a year.

[Arsenal]

New Avengers #17

This was okay. I'm glad that the Fear Itself crap is over, but not a lot happened in the issue. I was kind of bored up until the end.

Spidey did have some good lines, and I'm glad he's still in his FF costume.

The art was awesome.

I'm wondering where Daredevil was. He's on the team (and on the cover). I want my Daredevil!

Yes
Yes
Yes
Very much yes

Other then in the FF costume, it seem weird that Ben and Him are in that costume, of course I look at NA at being more of a pick up team, so they got the call while doing something FF related, and that makes it awesome

[Aussiemandias]

New Avengers 16.1

Great stuff, no more interviews! Nice prison break for Norman. I liked Doctor Strange's trick, but then Norman had plan B up his sleeve. This new HAMMER looks massive, can't wait to see how the story unfolds and who Norman's new Dark Avengers will be. Normie may be the New Avengers greatest enemy, glad to have him back.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the following lines from this book:

Victoria Hand: The touchy subject is Norman Osborn
Spidey: Are you guys finally tying the knot?

I don't know if it was just me but that exchange had me in absolute stitches. I love Spidey's complete distrust of Victoria Hand. I can sort of see Spidey getting a massive "I told you so" moment in some future issue.

I liked the issue - Norman is really proving to be this current Avengers' great adversary.

[Aussiemandias]

#17 was the best NA book in over half a year.

Agreed. Not much else to say about the issue except even the characters seemed like a weight had been lifted off them - that weight, of course, being Fear Itself.

[Arsenal]

New Avengers #18

I am glad to see the book back on it's feet and out of the Fear itself crap.

But hoenstly I am not that interested in the new "Dark Avengers" maybe because the revengers just happened and is still happening (maybe I think) but come on Norman you're plan isn't going to work here, you lost with A list villains, using C listers and Skaar isn't going to end very well at all for you. I assume there is a larger end game but really Gorgon is going to be your heavy hitter here?

[Aussiemandias]

I assume there is a larger end game but really Gorgon is going to be your heavy hitter here?

The way Gorgon was used in Secret Warriors he was pretty damn awesome actually.

New Avengers #18

I liked it. I must admit I like Norman Osborn in full villain mode and I especially like things moving on with Fear Itself out of the picture. Not totally happy about the return of Clor - clones are probably my least favourite plot device these days - but the rest of the villains he's chosen are really interesting. Don't know much about a couple of them but I like that he's still fixated on having an alternate Avengers team.

Deodato really did some great work on this issue - I thought it was some of his best stuff in a while actually.

[Arsenal]

I assume there is a larger end game but really Gorgon is going to be your heavy hitter here?

The way Gorgon was used in Secret Warriors he was pretty damn awesome actually.

I didn't read that book, but honestly this team of DA is so C-list it is hilarious, with the exception of Clor and Skaar, of course if they are facing off against New Avengers and not Avengers Prime I can see them being a challenge but then again the did lose a fight involving D-Man. At least New is still being the best of the avengers book, I just laughed at the team and that Normal is just so crazy.

[Bigtymin504]

I assume there is a larger end game but really Gorgon is going to be your heavy hitter here?

The way Gorgon was used in Secret Warriors he was pretty damn awesome actually.

New Avengers #18

I liked it. I must admit I like Norman Osborn in full villain mode and I especially like things moving on with Fear Itself out of the picture. Not totally happy about the return of Clor - clones are probably my least favourite plot device these days - but the rest of the villains he's chosen are really interesting. Don't know much about a couple of them but I like that he's still fixated on having an alternate Avengers team.

Deodato really did some great work on this issue - I thought it was some of his best stuff in a while actually.

Very much enjoyed this too. I love that Norman is back. I wonder what he'll do differently this time with his Dark Avengers.

Question: is Gorgon supposed to be the Wolverine at the end?

[Arsenal]

I took it as Gorgon is Wolverine, over all the team just seems underpowered.

But I think the big thing is that Hydra, A.I.M and H.A.M.M.E.R are backing it so the Dark Avengers are going to be more of a distraction. Or who knows if the writers will give a power up or nerfing to anyone

[Aussiemandias]

I took it as Gorgon is Wolverine,

Me too. That's who Gorgon is after.