Avengers vs X-Men

[Arsenal]

I now want that. I'll have to do some research on that and see the cover and whatnot.

There you go, it is awesome

[jaydee74]

Sweet Jeebus, that looks awesome. I am so getting that now.

[Arsenal]

let me know if you find it. I checked eBay for fun and saw it was selling for like $25.


I may have that still at my parents, as an extra if so I'll let you know.

[Aussiemandias]

Now here is my issue, they really need to lay down how Scott's Powers work. If he can blast people bigger and stronger the Capt. American through walls, why couldn't he today? Is it the Shield absorbing the blast with the super metal or what here? Hell Scott blasted him back last issue, how could be push through it this time? Look I have walked in the ocean before, doing that while getting hit with a concussive beam seems a bit much to me. They need to lock down the power and not nerf or nuke it as needed.

Well, this is the way I see it (and always have re: Scott's blasts and Cap's shield): Scott's blasts are pure force. Cap's shield absorbs force. Therefore he's able to advance on Scott while he's blasting him. If Cap had a normal shield it would either be shattered or he'd be propelled a mile away. Writers don't handle this consistently. I can't remember exactly what happened last issue but hopefully Scott didn't blast the shield directly and as a result Cap was impacted. This is getting overly picky but if I was Scott and saw I was having no impact on Cap's shield I'd blast the ground under Cap or Cap's legs. But then again maybe I'm just that little bit smarter than Scott. Really, I should be leading the X-Men. Apart from that not being a mutant thing.

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2-Wanda She started all of this in Dissasembled, minor clues that it is her, and would be a nice twist 10:1

Put me down for 10 bucks on this. It's second in obviousness to Hope but I think a likely candidate.

Actually, it would be funny if as the Phoenix force nears Earth it actually shoots straight past and ends up heading for a planet on the other side of the galaxy where its new host awaits.

Avengers vs X-Men #2

I guess I was a bit different to some of you guys in that I thought this issue deteriorated into standard fight territory. I quite liked last issue and not saying I didn't like this one but I just think it's starting to look like cliched fight time. This was nothing more than a bunch of random fights and if this keeps going I'm likely to lose interest fast. It needs to be more than that for me.

And the other disappointment for me was that after doing some of his best work in ages last issue I thought JRJR's work here went downhill big time from issue #1. That was a shame.

[Arsenal]

AvX

Does anyone know if the side issue that is just basically a beat em up comes with the digital code or not?

[Arsenal]

Ok no digital codes so I just grabbed the issue.


AvX VERSUS #1

Ehhhh..... I liked the fight that they flesh out the fights but they really don't work out logically. Yes I am on team X-men here, so I may have a bias, but really Namor has beat the ever loving crap out of the Thing dozens of times here. I don't see how Namor lost here. Well he didn't really lose, he was just pinned down long enough for Thing to walk out of the water.

Magneto vs Iron Man. OK fine his suit is some now carbon now so not magnetic. But really? This fight was just ignorant, Magneto has done EMPs before, he can tell that Stark is channeling the magnetism of Jupiter ( that alone hurt my brain) count exactly how many million nano bots was shot at him, and lost the fight because of a sucker punch because he felt a planet get destroyed by the Phoenix? They put Magneto's Power levels to the point that he can sense other planets but can't control that iron in Tony's blood?

That whole fight makes me want to hire Wade to write a rant for me and fill it with .GIFs that show how upset I am with it.

Seriously.. He can drop 170 tons on Iron Man, deflect the anti magnet drones , pull down satellite to make armor, sense planets, deflect Iron Mans blasts. And one punch when he is distracted from Iron Man who is almost out of power beats him?

Fuck off Tony "Dues ex machina" Stark. There was just no logic there.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

That whole fight makes me want to hire Wade to write a rant for me and fill it with .GIFs that show how upset I am with it.

I am glad I skipped on this then. Apparently Mags beating Proteus while hurtling into space didn't convince the writers to handle this with more care, from what I've heard. Anyone can beat anyone but how they do so is very important, something some writers seem to forget these days. We like to compare such things to loud action movies but at least those movies (even the worst) keep things in perspective and don't go the lazy route. It seems writers do all these things, get themselves in a corner and settle for "rocks fall, everyone dies". Then they wonder why people are upset at the end and write off these people as angry fanboys when rather they are simply people who wanted a story and got short-changed on an ending. Sad, sad stuff.

[Bigtymin504]

AvX: Versus #1

I actually thought this issue was a lot of fun. Just good old fashioned slobber knockers. Pretty creative even in the Iron Man/Magneto fight. Mags should have wiped the floor with him, but the way it was done was kinda cool. I had a big problem with Namor vs Thing though. They're fighting UNDERWATER! It's already a no contest right there. Namor is Superman underwater, Ben doesn't stand a friggin chance.

Lord help Marvel if they make Iceman lose to Jessica Jones, for Wade's wrath will not be merciful.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

AvX: Versus #1
I had a big problem with Namor vs Thing though. They're fighting UNDERWATER! It's already a no contest right there. Namor is Superman underwater, Ben doesn't stand a friggin chance.

Yeah, that is all kinds of bad. They really should have had Namor face Iron Man, partially because they have a history (Namor has embarrassed Iron Man one too many times) and are rivals for the biggest manwhore in the Marvel universe. But even more so, Iron Man using nanites would allow him a win against Namor if they were so set to have Stark win one. Have Stark be losing the fight most of the way until the nanites kick in, mention that these are the same nanites that almost took down Green Scar Hulk at the start of WWH, and everything falls into place, with Namor passing out with a smug expression on his face, amused by the fact that Stark finally got him (but have him musing that he's banged all Stark's girlfriends before he did or something like that - enjoy your sloppy seconds Stark! ).

For Mags, this should have been a team effort (does it bother anyone that Mags has always been a team effort character but now Iron Man can solo him? It's like when they turned Darkseid into a "require the whole Legion and often times the Justice League villain" into a Superman jobber), with a small group of Avengers trying to take down Mags (while getting trounced by Mags), with Beast being the difference maker because of his history and understanding of Mag's powers. He could help whip up something to help nullify or deal with Mag's powers, possibly even, a mutant power nullifier, making Wolvie and Beast seem even more like traitors to the X-men. All that would have made for a good fight, made for good drama, and the sheer hilarity of the dialogue would have been interesting. I never understood why Beast was up in space when Noh-var was there since I'm fairly sure Kree tech and knowledge surpasses his any day. Yeah, Beast is smart but he's almost a liability in space, especially something that can fry planets like they are nothing. Noh-Var should have been up in space in a Kree-tricked-out spaceship while in costume, ready to throw down against the phoenix. If the ship is destroyed, he's still okay. Also, they should have called Monica Rambeau. I still recall what she did to Thanos's spaceship, Sanctuary I, fucking it over and allowing the Avengers to storm it all those years ago. It's a crime she's no where to be seen these days.

That said, I feel that the writers are turning this into their own little personal fan fiction and essentially giving the fans the finger yet I feel this kind of behavior will come back and bite them in the ass. If Aquaman has shown us anything, if you don;t give characters enough "badass" moments or have them job too may times, people will stop taking them seriously and regard them as a joke. If you put them in the back burner, people will stop regarding them as anything, as Martain Manhunter has taught us, someone who is comparable to Superman in power. So powers alone don't do it, but how the characters are handled. People saw a bad fight in the Hulk vs. Namor showdown, I saw the first part in a long line of events that will lead to Namor being regarded as some sort of pompous blonde-chasing joke jobber of a manwhore when he really is a water-breathing version of the The Rock with Superman-level powers at times. Then Marvel will act all surprised when they can't generate any interest in the character in other mediums and the very same writers who created this situation will complain about the lack of interest in said character (like they oft to do). At least with other characters you can count on the comic book community for some interest but this is bad. I don't see Namor pulling a Gambit: be hated by writers for a long time and buried and forced to play second fiddle to Rogue, a character few people cared for outside of her cartoon version (ushering many boys into manhood) until a seemingly bad movie makes both men and women go wild (The men want to be him! The women want to manhandle/tame (same thing) him!) and now finally getting a serious look beyond, after many bad storylines, a bad series, and getting left in the north/south pole (I forgot which one) by the woman who supposedly loved him.

In short, having Namor job to Thing serves no purpose. It does not help Namor, who looks like a weak chump not able to even win in his own element. It does not help thing, who now looks like a plot armour-laden sack of crap (hard, rock like crap). It is not good story-telling and is rather lazy. It does not please comic fans who, despite knowing who will win, like to be right about things and not be surprised by out the ass endings/results. The only people who would be pleased by this are kids and if that many kids were reading comics, would the industry really be hurting that bad then? In the end, it does more harm than good and makes the whole event look like what it is: poorly written expensive fan fiction being used as a cash grab. In short, a very bad joke.

Lord help Marvel if they make Iceman lose to Jessica Jones, for Wade's wrath will not be merciful.

Don't even joke. I will RAGE. The very thought of it...oh look at that outside my window, is that a red lantern ring?

[jaydee74]

Round 3
Okay. I loved how the X-Men duped the Avengers. It was pretty damn awesome. Then of course you got a certain fight between two people. I liked it. It was a bit brutal and kind of awesome and it didn't end the way I hope or would have liked but I guess it ended the only way it could. It was okay I guess but nothing spectacular really happened in my opinion.

[Batman25JM]

Issue #3 was fine. I'm just sick of heroes fighting each other at the drop of a hat. I think Cap was way too quick to attack Wolverine. And I really don't know who I am siding with at this point. At first it was the X-Men, but now I find myself more of the side of the Avengers.

[jaydee74]

I think I'm siding with Hope and the Phoenix. What if at the end of this, Hope and the Phoenix resets the Marvel Universe so Marvel can also do a refresh with brand new #1s? Still, it would be kind of cool.

[Aussiemandias]

Issue #3 was fine. I'm just sick of heroes fighting each other at the drop of a hat. I think Cap was way too quick to attack Wolverine. And I really don't know who I am siding with at this point. At first it was the X-Men, but now I find myself more of the side of the Avengers.

I was cool with the Cap/Wolvie fight because I think Cap really just orchestrated it to get Wolverine out of the picture for a while not really to fight him. I think the fight was more of a distraction to drop Logan in the middle of nowhere which is actually a pretty decent plan. Cap knows Wolverine will survive anything so there's no chance of hurting him and he doesn't want Logan to kill Hope so decided to get rid of him for a while. I'm kind of hoping that if they do this properly then Wolverine's out of play for some time unless he can somehow make contact with someone to help him.

Oh and good JRJR was back this issue. Looks like he's doing 1 good issue, 1 crap issue.

One thing that's been bugging me:

I can see why Cap and co. think the Phoenix returning is incredibly dangerous and threatens the world.

I am really struggling to see where Cyclops and co. have made this jump in logic that the Phoenix will restart the mutant race. To me they're making a bit of jump there and that's why I'm behind Cap on this. I can't even see Cyclops's logic. I don't know what the justification is for him to think this is the case.

[prescribeddrone]

# 3 was way too short but decent.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

I am really struggling to see where Cyclops and co. have made this jump in logic that the Phoenix will restart the mutant race. To me they're making a bit of jump there and that's why I'm behind Cap on this. I can't even see Cyclops's logic. I don't know what the justification is for him to think this is the case.

Xavier got his powers back in the M'Kraan crystal, due to the Phoenix Force giving him back his mutant abilities, which is different from Mags repowering which was some genetic reconstruction on High Evolutionary's part and not a true mutation. Also, they have come to realize that the Phoenix Force is powerful enough to rearrange reality to some extent as well.

[Aussiemandias]

I am really struggling to see where Cyclops and co. have made this jump in logic that the Phoenix will restart the mutant race. To me they're making a bit of jump there and that's why I'm behind Cap on this. I can't even see Cyclops's logic. I don't know what the justification is for him to think this is the case.

Xavier got his powers back in the M'Kraan crystal, due to the Phoenix Force giving him back his mutant abilities, which is different from Mags repowering which was some genetic reconstruction on High Evolutionary's part and not a true mutation. Also, they have come to realize that the Phoenix Force is powerful enough to rearrange reality to some extent as well.

The idea that they can trust it or that would even be its purpose though - I think they're overestimating their ability to influence what happens. I understand that they think it would have the ability to do those things, and I'm sure it could. It's a bit of an assumption to make that it will actually happen though. Or even if that could happen initially that the human race and mutants along with them are massively threatened in the longer term.

To me, it says a lot about Cyclops willing to do anything right now.

[jaydee74]

Well, when you think of the state of the mutant race as a whole, Scott is looking out for the survival of the Mutant race and if he feels the Phoenix Force can bring them back, he's going to try and do that.

[Dr. Wade McNasty]

For some reason, I feel a sudden wave of disappointment flowing through me. I'm not reading this and for some reason, suspect I would not like it. The words "fan fiction" and "forced" come to mind. In any case, I think I will read this just to see if my feelings on this are correct.

[Arsenal]

AvsX Versus #2

First off I still hate the title of this book, it was apparently made up by someone in the Redundant Department of Redundancy.
Second off I still feel like this book can eat a big old bag of dicks.


But this issue was much better then the last issue, in one of the two fights was awesome and ended how I expected.

Captain America vs Gambit

Gambit is one of my favorite X-men, and the fact that he delivered a solid beat down on Captain America was able to out think him a bit and grabbed the shield mid throw charged it and threw it back was just awesome. Yes Gambit loses but he should have and I am cool with that. But it was a sold fight, well written, scripted and the art was great. This fight saved the side project for me

Avenger 3 X-men 1

Spider-man vs Colossus

Ehhhhhh. Was not that interesting of a fight, spider-mans quips were forced and the fight went no where and ended when Spider-man just left. It was boring and I don't count it as a win for the X-men.

[jaydee74]

I gotta say, I'm curious to see what happens next aft the issues I just read.

[Batman25JM]

Avengers vs. X-Men Round #4

This issue did very little for me overall. I'm honestly losing interest in this book more by the issue.

The Cap/Iron Man exchange in the issue was good. However, I think a lot of my enjoyment of that comes from my high of the Avengers movie (which I saw again today). I did like how Wolverine decided to still side with Cap.

[prescribeddrone]

I enjoyed #4 quit a bit. The beer traps was cute.

[Bigtymin504]

Avengers vs X-Men #4

This was probably the best issue so far for me, no surprise considering Hickman wrote it. Great stuff with Logan and Hope. Cool to see them end up on the Moon, shades of Phoenix stories in the past. But so far this event hasn't delivered in the shocking/game-changing moments it promised. We've seen everyone chasing Hope before in Messiah Complex. The good thing is, the Phoenix has arrived and issue 5 is the end of "Act 1" so it's set up to deliver some big moments. Bring on Oliver Coipel for Act 2!


AvX: Versus #2

Loved the Gambit/Cap fight. Gambit was my favorite character growing up and Cap is pretty much my favorite right now. Mad props to Steve McNiven too since he wrote and drew the fight and did a great job with both. The fight played out pretty logically. Love how Gambit charged Cap's shirt and shield! When it comes down to it I think Gambit is potentially so damn powerful that he could/should beat guys like Cap, but I'm content with how it played out.

Spidey vs Colosonaut was okay, had a few decent Spidey one-liners, but nothing to write home about like Arsenal said.

[jaydee74]

The Cap/Gambit fight was much closer than I thought it would be. It was nicely done and of course Cap was going to win but I still enjoyed this. The Spidey/Colossus fight was dumb. I didn't get the pairing to begin with and I found it boring and uninteresting.

[Arsenal]

The Cap/Gambit fight was much closer than I thought it would be. It was nicely done and of course Cap was going to win but I still enjoyed this. The Spidey/Colossus fight was dumb. I didn't get the pairing to begin with and I found it boring and uninteresting.

The Cap/Gambit fight was close and I liked that. I am going to assume they toned down the power of Gambits blasts, but of course Cap was going to win, I am just glad it was a solid fight.

As for Spidey/Colossus I think that just goes back to the classic books where Spidey fought Juggernaut